NOT SELLING OUT, THAT’S A NEGATIVE

Question from Damien: “I was wondering today…who introduced the RnB/Soul side to the hip hop? The one we can hear in Mos Def’s or The Pharcyde’s tracks? Was there any tension about this at the time, some kind of opposition between the aggressive tone of some early 90′s releases and the smoothness of some others?”

Answer: There’s two separate questions here so let me tackle the first.

First, it’s a bit odd to try to talk about how R&B was “introduced” into hip-hop insofar as rap music’s roots come out of soul via funk via disco. I mean, “Rapper’s Delight” was riffing on Chic. The DNA of R&B lies in hip-hop too even if the latter certainly took pains to separate itself from the former, around the time Run DMC was decimating their old school forefathers. But R&B/hip-hop crossovers existed across the ’80s, even in that area, none better (in my opinion) than this:

And of course, one of LL Cool J’s first big songs was basically a rap/R&B hybrid even though there’s no actual singing in it.

The point I’m making is that these lines were always intersecting, always blurred. There were, of course, songs that pushed this crossover point harder than others. I still remember people being madly disappointed by Nas’s “If I Ruled the World” (feat. Lauryn Hill) because they wanted “N.Y. State of Mind 2.0,” not some quasi-Fugees collabo. And that addresses your second question:

Hell yeah there was opposition.

“Real heads”, then and now, hated R&B/hip-hop crossovers if they felt that they were being done as pure commercial pandering. Of course, what one defines as pandering isn’t always easy to define. For example, what really separates this:

…from this:

…from this:

…from this:

For the record, I ride for half those songs, the other half can miss me. But is it obvious which ones? It’s taste dependent.

To me, the key thing that happened by the early/mid 1990s was that hip-hop wasn’t trying to crossover into R&B but R&B, most certainly was trying to ride off of hip-hop’s success. That’s one reason why Mary J. Blige was embraced in a way that other, previous R&B singers did not; Blige sounded like she wanted to be down. Her and her team (lead by Puffy) understood how R&B could be made palatable to a hip-hop sensibility via the right production and the right collaborators. But the important point here is that it seemed like R&B was crossing over to hip-hop on hip-hop’s terms rather than songs that seemed more like hip-hop pandering to be down with R&B.


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MY CANONBALL PICK: AL GREEN’S I’M STILL IN LOVE WITH YOU

First of all…sorry for being gone for so long. Here’s a smattering of “sh– I’ve been up to” (thus keeping me away from the site):

  • Visiting Boston, speaking at the Hip Hop Archive, visiting the HQs for Get On Down, gawking at vintage drum machines, meeting the guy who produced this album, and listening to MC Keithy E’s early demo.
  • Interviewing Strangeloop.
  • Writing NPR reviews for Chico Mann as well as Charles Bradley + the James Hunter Six.
  • Previewing this year’s Coachella.
  • Talking about the legacy of KDAY in Los Angeles.
  • Profiling Radio Sombra/Espacio 1839
  • Helping interview Lady for this Sunday’s Melting Pot
  • Writing about this new exhibit of vintage kung fu film posters.
  • Helping plan and coordinate a conference on pop music that is this weekend.

    #nohumblebrag. Just saying; I been busy.

    One thing I totally forgot to share with ya’ll on account of that was this…
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    Jesse Thorn, a friend of SS, invited me to take part in his “Cannonball” series for Bullseye, which asks different folks to talk about their classic albums and for me, the LP that instantly came to mind is Al Green’s I’m Still In Love With You. It’s always been one of the “Top 5” and will never leave that spot. I wanted to quickly elaborate on the anecdote Jesse alludes to in the beginning. I’ve probably told this story sometime here before but it never gets old for me:

    Sometime around 1993, I was at the Ashby Flea Market in Berkeley and there’s a guy (still there apparently) who sold cassette dubs of different soul artists/albums. I knew Al Green from “Let’s Stay Together” (like a billion other people) but that was about it. And the flea market dealer was playing a couple tracks from I’m Still In Love With You and for $10, sure, I’d cop.

    That tape was revelatory. Completely opened me up to a whole new level of soul music appreciation. I started making dubs of my dub to give to friends; I just needed to share it.

    The fun part about prepping this for Cannonball was to force myself to really think why the album had such an impact on me. It’s not that I need that kind of intellectual dissection to appreciate the album more; it just adds a dynamic and new layer that I find meaningful. Because it really is such an incredibly well crafted album and it does all these little things, rhythmically especially, that you don’t expect and that’s precisely what makes it work.

    As I talk about in the segment, the fact that “Love and Happiness” does not have foot stomps after that long guitar intro always surprises me because my mind thinks there should be and so it turns a simple rim tap into something much more pumped. Willie Mitchell and the Hi Rhythm section were frickin’ genius. And Al Green – I mean, what else is there to say about how mind-blowingly good and seductive he was as a singer in the early ’70s? He kinged the game better than anyone – Marvin included.

    Anyway, thanks to Jesse for a truly fun conversation.



    Meanwhile, happy RSD to everyone tomorrow. If you’re anywhere near either LA or SF, hit up either the Record Jungle or Groove Merchant. Trust me.

  • I’M STILL HERE…

    Just hella busy. But fear not.

    In the meantime, this is my new “top rotation” song:

    OUTSIDE MY WINDOW, I CAN HEAR A RADIO…

    Question from Tolo: “there’s a song that’s been hunting me for days, I think you wrote about it but my memories are hazy. It’s a funk soul number (early 70s?) that DJ Shadow and Cut Chemist used to play. I remember the lyrics saying something like “he’s number one.” Sorry, I realize this is pretty vague.”

    A: That’s actually more than enough info, you’re talking about this song:


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    RANDOM PILE: BOB AND THE MOB

    Bob and the Mob: It’s a Shame
    From 12″ (Holiday, 1989)

    What’s not to like about this?

    Spinners’ sample? Check.1
    “Synthetic Substitution” drums? Check.

    Sometimes, it’s just that easy. (That said, every time I hear how they flip the drums, the phrase “individual with intellect” keeps popping into my head).

    1. And before Monie Love, no?